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	<title>Comments on: Police say farmers can legally shoot your dog</title>
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		<title>By: Dogkiller</title>
		<link>http://www.dogsrule.co.uk/blog/general/police-say-farmers-can-legally-shoot-your-dog/comment-page-1/#comment-2224</link>
		<dc:creator>Dogkiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dogs are dangerous, I&#039;m sick to death of them. any farmer who rids the world of one of these creatures did the world a favour</description>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.dogsrule.co.uk/blog/general/police-say-farmers-can-legally-shoot-your-dog/comment-page-1/#comment-2220</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 20:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Farmers. If a sheep or lamb gets onto my land can I shoot it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Farmers. If a sheep or lamb gets onto my land can I shoot it?</p>
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		<title>By: RMF</title>
		<link>http://www.dogsrule.co.uk/blog/general/police-say-farmers-can-legally-shoot-your-dog/comment-page-1/#comment-2219</link>
		<dc:creator>RMF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best thing to do is keep the dog on a lead. If the dog is on a lead, it will not bother any farmer&#039;s livestock and he will have no reason to shoot your dog.
&quot;I am so angry that every single footpath off my village is filled with livestock. Its so hard to let your dog run anywhere incase the are mistaken for threatening livestock.&quot;
Forestry commission and woodland trust owned land is usually &quot;right to roam&quot;. You should look into it and see if there are any FC or WT woods near you. 

A farmer is there to make money, and support himself and his family if he has one. And farmers support themselves growing crops and rearing livestock. I am good friends with a few farmers, and none of them like to shoot dogs. They sometimes have to, but only as a last resort. The last time any of them had to shoot a dog wa sover ten years ago, when a gang was walking about on private land setting their dogs on sheep and actually killing the sheep. In a case like this, there was no other option. The bad thing is not all farmers use shooting as a last resort. Some farmers shoot any dog that is off the lead, and this is wrong unless the dog is worrying livestock. 
If your dog was shot when it wasn&#039;t bothering any animals, then the farmer is in the wrong. But if your dog is shot while running around a field with livestock in, then it is your fault for having it off the lead. That&#039;s why you should always have the dog on a lead unless on Forestry commission or woodland trust property that you know is open access. If you are near farmland, you should get it on a lead to be safe, as your dog may find a hole in a fence and chase farm animals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best thing to do is keep the dog on a lead. If the dog is on a lead, it will not bother any farmer&#8217;s livestock and he will have no reason to shoot your dog.<br />
&#8220;I am so angry that every single footpath off my village is filled with livestock. Its so hard to let your dog run anywhere incase the are mistaken for threatening livestock.&#8221;<br />
Forestry commission and woodland trust owned land is usually &#8220;right to roam&#8221;. You should look into it and see if there are any FC or WT woods near you. </p>
<p>A farmer is there to make money, and support himself and his family if he has one. And farmers support themselves growing crops and rearing livestock. I am good friends with a few farmers, and none of them like to shoot dogs. They sometimes have to, but only as a last resort. The last time any of them had to shoot a dog wa sover ten years ago, when a gang was walking about on private land setting their dogs on sheep and actually killing the sheep. In a case like this, there was no other option. The bad thing is not all farmers use shooting as a last resort. Some farmers shoot any dog that is off the lead, and this is wrong unless the dog is worrying livestock.<br />
If your dog was shot when it wasn&#8217;t bothering any animals, then the farmer is in the wrong. But if your dog is shot while running around a field with livestock in, then it is your fault for having it off the lead. That&#8217;s why you should always have the dog on a lead unless on Forestry commission or woodland trust property that you know is open access. If you are near farmland, you should get it on a lead to be safe, as your dog may find a hole in a fence and chase farm animals.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobolob</title>
		<link>http://www.dogsrule.co.uk/blog/general/police-say-farmers-can-legally-shoot-your-dog/comment-page-1/#comment-2213</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobolob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 13:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a lot of pathetic people here who can&#039;t take responsibility for their own actions.  If you own a dog, keep it under control.  Why is that so hard to get into skulls?  If your dog threatens someone else&#039;s animals, what gives you the right to whine like a bitch when that person defends their property and livelihood?  If you&#039;re still too fucking stupid to understand this, just reverse the situation: how would you feel if someone released their pitbull into your garden and killed your dog?  It&#039;s the same thing, you brainless scum.  You moaning pieces of shit just can&#039;t accept that you *killed your own dogs* through your lack of care for their well-being.  If you really cared about animals, yours and other people&#039;s, you&#039;d take responsibility for your own actions.  If anything you should shoot yourselves and rid society of your defective genes, before you hurt more animals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a lot of pathetic people here who can&#8217;t take responsibility for their own actions.  If you own a dog, keep it under control.  Why is that so hard to get into skulls?  If your dog threatens someone else&#8217;s animals, what gives you the right to whine like a bitch when that person defends their property and livelihood?  If you&#8217;re still too fucking stupid to understand this, just reverse the situation: how would you feel if someone released their pitbull into your garden and killed your dog?  It&#8217;s the same thing, you brainless scum.  You moaning pieces of shit just can&#8217;t accept that you *killed your own dogs* through your lack of care for their well-being.  If you really cared about animals, yours and other people&#8217;s, you&#8217;d take responsibility for your own actions.  If anything you should shoot yourselves and rid society of your defective genes, before you hurt more animals.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2011 12:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having read all of the comments it does appear that this issue is very widely recognised.  Recently in my local area farmers have started to appear with thier firearms in an effort to protect thier livestock, although i have had no dealings with these individuals I have heard reports of firearms being discharged in public spaces!  The firarms law states that farmers have no legal right to shoot a dog, it is merely a defensive right that should only be used as a last resort.  This, I believe, contravenes the actual fire arms licencing law, as to gain a licence for a firearm potential users must have a valid and recognised reson for use, of which shooting dogs is not one.  With regards to the firearms licencing law, the law itself is extremely lapse and the whole thing needs a total review.  

As a serving soldier I am a trained user of firearms and I am bound by a strict code of conduct, continued extensive training and safety set up, and even in an operational environment, as you would expect i remain bound by this code of conduct.  The UK civilian firearms user is largely an untrained individual, they are bound by a loose and out dated policy and they recieve no training legalised training in either firearms use or safety parameters, yet farmers freely carry and discharge firearms in public places, putting not only themselves at risk, but also the public.  Bear in mind these few points:

1. What type of weapon system are they using to shoot these dogs, because different weapons have different ranges, spread and power.

2. Have the users of these weapons had any training, how accurate are their weapons and how well maintained are they (remember these simple things are not mandatory by law).

3. Have the users taken into account the environment around them and the target, people, other animals may be in the firing line, who is covering the safety of firing arcs and where is the fall of shot going, ie. where is the bullet/shot/round going once discharged.  Munitions spent have different capabilities and are capable of continuing their route of travel having passed straight through the intended target.  Factor in missed shots, shots aimed high to scare and even warning shots fired into the air will still travel back down to earth at a rate of velocity which can still kill.

Add to these worrying points the issue of land.  What many consider to be public right of way or public areas can often be access land which is allowed to be grazed by livestock outside of a designated fenced area, this land does not belong to the livestock owner so surely they grase thier animals at accepted risk? I can fully understand defending, as a last resort, animals on thier own private fenced land but surley this can not be acceptable behavior on an area of land used by the public. This issue is as outdated and lapse as the current firarms law.

Farmers and dog owners should be able to co-exsist, but this clearly is not the case there seems to be a number of dangourously intimidating farmers out there and a equaul number of poor dog owners. However on the whole most dog owners will control thier dogs effectivly, but there may be an occasion, prehaps where unsighted, where dogs engage in a chase, people have to remember all dogs have a chase instinct but not all will chase to kill, they chase for the excitement of the chase. Surely killing a dog is a bit barbaric in this day and age, wouldn&#039;t a financial remuniration be a more acceptable method. Clearly I am accutely aware of the legal upset/wranglings that can amount through the effect and inforcement of either method.

In summary, my points are merely for interest/awareness and in some cases up for debate and clarification, as i have said the laws and rules around this issue leave a lot to be desired and as with a lot of out dated laws can be subject to varied interpretation. All comments are welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having read all of the comments it does appear that this issue is very widely recognised.  Recently in my local area farmers have started to appear with thier firearms in an effort to protect thier livestock, although i have had no dealings with these individuals I have heard reports of firearms being discharged in public spaces!  The firarms law states that farmers have no legal right to shoot a dog, it is merely a defensive right that should only be used as a last resort.  This, I believe, contravenes the actual fire arms licencing law, as to gain a licence for a firearm potential users must have a valid and recognised reson for use, of which shooting dogs is not one.  With regards to the firearms licencing law, the law itself is extremely lapse and the whole thing needs a total review.  </p>
<p>As a serving soldier I am a trained user of firearms and I am bound by a strict code of conduct, continued extensive training and safety set up, and even in an operational environment, as you would expect i remain bound by this code of conduct.  The UK civilian firearms user is largely an untrained individual, they are bound by a loose and out dated policy and they recieve no training legalised training in either firearms use or safety parameters, yet farmers freely carry and discharge firearms in public places, putting not only themselves at risk, but also the public.  Bear in mind these few points:</p>
<p>1. What type of weapon system are they using to shoot these dogs, because different weapons have different ranges, spread and power.</p>
<p>2. Have the users of these weapons had any training, how accurate are their weapons and how well maintained are they (remember these simple things are not mandatory by law).</p>
<p>3. Have the users taken into account the environment around them and the target, people, other animals may be in the firing line, who is covering the safety of firing arcs and where is the fall of shot going, ie. where is the bullet/shot/round going once discharged.  Munitions spent have different capabilities and are capable of continuing their route of travel having passed straight through the intended target.  Factor in missed shots, shots aimed high to scare and even warning shots fired into the air will still travel back down to earth at a rate of velocity which can still kill.</p>
<p>Add to these worrying points the issue of land.  What many consider to be public right of way or public areas can often be access land which is allowed to be grazed by livestock outside of a designated fenced area, this land does not belong to the livestock owner so surely they grase thier animals at accepted risk? I can fully understand defending, as a last resort, animals on thier own private fenced land but surley this can not be acceptable behavior on an area of land used by the public. This issue is as outdated and lapse as the current firarms law.</p>
<p>Farmers and dog owners should be able to co-exsist, but this clearly is not the case there seems to be a number of dangourously intimidating farmers out there and a equaul number of poor dog owners. However on the whole most dog owners will control thier dogs effectivly, but there may be an occasion, prehaps where unsighted, where dogs engage in a chase, people have to remember all dogs have a chase instinct but not all will chase to kill, they chase for the excitement of the chase. Surely killing a dog is a bit barbaric in this day and age, wouldn&#8217;t a financial remuniration be a more acceptable method. Clearly I am accutely aware of the legal upset/wranglings that can amount through the effect and inforcement of either method.</p>
<p>In summary, my points are merely for interest/awareness and in some cases up for debate and clarification, as i have said the laws and rules around this issue leave a lot to be desired and as with a lot of out dated laws can be subject to varied interpretation. All comments are welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: jon johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 19:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i would shoot any thing that up set my live stock with out a care in the world</description>
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		<title>By: fredom</title>
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		<dc:creator>fredom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 16:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No wonder this country is in the mess that it is with people like you lot the country side belongs to the farmers not you. I live on a farm and we have had dogs that worry sheep but like any dog owner with a brain we managed to stop them and to behave. If your dog gets shot its your fault we dont come to your garden with our animals you have been given a privelage to cross our land. Access to land should never of been aloud except public rights of way its not your property and if you dont like it walk them on council land. As for piss take i think he needs to get some help anyone with half a brain would just laugh at his comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No wonder this country is in the mess that it is with people like you lot the country side belongs to the farmers not you. I live on a farm and we have had dogs that worry sheep but like any dog owner with a brain we managed to stop them and to behave. If your dog gets shot its your fault we dont come to your garden with our animals you have been given a privelage to cross our land. Access to land should never of been aloud except public rights of way its not your property and if you dont like it walk them on council land. As for piss take i think he needs to get some help anyone with half a brain would just laugh at his comments.</p>
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		<title>By: rob farmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob farmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2011 21:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hollie , i am a farmer and you have no right to let your dog off it lead whilst ion a feild wheter the is livestock in it or not if you want to let your dog run around then take it to a park</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hollie , i am a farmer and you have no right to let your dog off it lead whilst ion a feild wheter the is livestock in it or not if you want to let your dog run around then take it to a park</p>
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		<title>By: whippet</title>
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		<dc:creator>whippet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>could anyone please help me i was recently walking my dog who is a whippet through land i know i am allowed through when a rabbit shot out in front of her and into the adjacent field, bieng a sight hound her natural instincts were to give chase dispite my calling her back. there are no sheep cows pigs chickens horses or any form of farm animals anywhere near just crops. i went through the bushes to retrieve my dog and when i retrieved her two IDIOTS with SHOTGUNS appeared out of nowhere telling me that i was on MR BIGSHOT FARMERs land and that if they saw me again they would shoot my dog!!! i politely informed them that if they did it would be the last thing they would ever do when i went into further detail with the two bellends i found out that it was a game shooting area for pheasants and partridge i appologised for being there and told them it was an accident but they just kept going on about the game keeper who would shoot my dog and be within the rights of the law and if i went to the police they would agree with him and confiscate my dog.  Is this rightwould they be allowed to shoot my dog and Could the police confiscate my dog?.............p.s john hirshall i agree with you whole heartidly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>could anyone please help me i was recently walking my dog who is a whippet through land i know i am allowed through when a rabbit shot out in front of her and into the adjacent field, bieng a sight hound her natural instincts were to give chase dispite my calling her back. there are no sheep cows pigs chickens horses or any form of farm animals anywhere near just crops. i went through the bushes to retrieve my dog and when i retrieved her two IDIOTS with SHOTGUNS appeared out of nowhere telling me that i was on MR BIGSHOT FARMERs land and that if they saw me again they would shoot my dog!!! i politely informed them that if they did it would be the last thing they would ever do when i went into further detail with the two bellends i found out that it was a game shooting area for pheasants and partridge i appologised for being there and told them it was an accident but they just kept going on about the game keeper who would shoot my dog and be within the rights of the law and if i went to the police they would agree with him and confiscate my dog.  Is this rightwould they be allowed to shoot my dog and Could the police confiscate my dog?&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.p.s john hirshall i agree with you whole heartidly.</p>
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		<title>By: tobi sholoye</title>
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		<dc:creator>tobi sholoye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 17:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>our two family dogs got out and went for a walk dint bite anyone or attack anybody yethertfordshire police shot them both dead.the police dint call the rspca or dog handler they just shot tem dead.i have witnesses who saw what happened claiming the dogs were fine until te polc turned up and started to use their shield to try and cornerhem by the river.now a friend who knew our family and the dogs told the police that he knew the dogs and that they are not dangerour or aggressive nd he would take them home.the police refused to give him the dogs.nd shot them both dead am sueing. any advice if they can do that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>our two family dogs got out and went for a walk dint bite anyone or attack anybody yethertfordshire police shot them both dead.the police dint call the rspca or dog handler they just shot tem dead.i have witnesses who saw what happened claiming the dogs were fine until te polc turned up and started to use their shield to try and cornerhem by the river.now a friend who knew our family and the dogs told the police that he knew the dogs and that they are not dangerour or aggressive nd he would take them home.the police refused to give him the dogs.nd shot them both dead am sueing. any advice if they can do that?</p>
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